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What to do about adverse effects arising after treatment

As I am so very new to this, I was wondering the following:
In the last week I’ve had 2 cases where while on the table things seemed to be going well, about an hour after treatment things were really bad: one had sky-rocketing elevated BP, and the other developed flu-like symptoms and started to have pelvic pain and spotting of dark/black blood (during ovulation) a symptom she’s never had before.
In both cases the client couldn’t come back to the clinic. In my mind these dramatic turns of events are related to treatment, but they didn’t happen on the table. So what do i do when they come back? do I do a corrective treatment or do I treat what is presenting at the time. Also why would there be a delayed reaction like this?
Any input will be received with gratitude. Thank you

why would there be a delayed reaction like this?

I was having problems like this during my first few weeks of experimentation. What seemed to help me get better feedback on the table was using heavier needles with stronger stimulation. I still find that sometimes the reaction only shows up at the end of treatment, rather than right away. On the other hand, I think my choices are steadily less catastrophic.

Hi @rmayroz >> insert spider meme saying “with great power comes great responsibility” :wink:

My suspicion is that there were some signs when they were on the table, but at the beginning we are less attuned to catching them. Keep at it. I used to keep the lights in my clinic low, but now I leave them full on until all the needles are in and I’m sure they are not having any issues. The full light allows me to better attend to the complexion. I could not do that with the lights low.

Pulse can also be helpful. In my experience if it tightens or weakens, then the treatment is likely not quite right.

As to treating them next time. Do that seems right at that moment when you see them, as by then they have ‘metabolized’ the previous treatment and you’ll hopefully have a clearer sense of what is going on for them.

I had a patient recently say… “I was not sure acupuncture would do anything, but now I know it does because my digestion got worse after I saw you.” Never fun to hear, but it is super helpful feedback as we now know what NOT to do.

I’m listening to one of the case review videos, and they touched on this issue. Toby mentioned that correct needle placement is another factor in getting good feedback. He talks about making sure the needles look right before leaving the room.

Thank you all, this is very helpful.

Adverse reactions to treatments are clear information from the body that the patient very much needs the counterbalancer supplemented. Time and time again, Toby says that treating the counterbalancer at the next treatment is the appropriate response. The exception would be if something catastrophic happened in the mean time.

This is a possibility especially for new Saamsters. Reading patient reaction on the table is an art requiring lots of presence and experience. Toby recommends using the face- expression and complexion as the primary guide.

Good guidance. We control what we can with diagnosis and correct treatment, including technique. There will be fewer wildcards if we are implementing the full system- including adequate needle gauge and clearly directed needles- including jing wells.

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Adverse reactions to treatments are clear information from the body that the patient very much needs the counterbalancer supplemented.* Time and time again, Toby says that treating the counterbalancer at the next treatment is the appropriate response. The exception would be if something catastrophic happened in the mean time.

This is very helpful. Thank you!